Posted by: cindybythesea | October 21, 2012

A Difficult Task Made Harder

Winters can be brutal in the part of the country I come from.  Howling winds and drifting snow plunge night time temperatures in to the single digits and below, while day time temperatures hover barely above freezing, if that.

Hard to believe, when just 50 miles south the landscape turns from aspen and pine to the red-sandstone desert and mild temperatures for which southeast Utah is famed.

Yes, this is where I am from. The four corners area where Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet. And, it was here just a few miles west of the Colorado state line that I was born. My grandparents coming to the area to homestead during the depression.   

Southeast Utah. It can be a tough place to live. The winters are long and bitter and for those living within a pre-dominantly Mormon community, it can be a tough place to find acceptance.  And, it was especially so, in those early years, when my grandparents first arrived.

In those days, the differences between Mormonism and Christianity was well understood.  There was never a time, when the line was blurred.  Both sides, (unlike today) were well aware of the differences between the two and never once, did anyone (on either side) consider them to be the same.

We knew God was never once a man. We knew man could never progress to godhood. We knew salvation was not through Joseph Smith. We knew the God of the Bible, did not come from the planet Kolob. We knew Jesus Christ was the son of God, the second person of the Trinity and not the brother of Lucifer, as Mormonism teaches.  We knew that the Bible does not teach baptism for the dead. These things we knew and more.  And, the Mormon church never pretended to teach otherwise.

Not so today. Today, you will find Mormons using terminology once only used and understood by evangelical Christians. Today you find Mormons trying to fit under the umbrella as just another Christian denomination. Today you have Mormons, who would have us call them brother or sister, as if the differences did not exist. And, today, you have Christian organizations putting out the welcome mat.

It was not long after my grandparents arrived in Utah that my grandmother and a few other faithful believers set out to establish a church in which the gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Bible would be taught.  It was a difficult task and there were many years in which, except by the grace of God, the doors of the church did not close.  In fact, during the war years, when men were scarce, it was my grandmother, who got up early on Sunday mornings to clear the church of snow and to light the furnace so the building would be warm for morning services.  It was she and few of others, whose dedication and sacrifice over a period of about 40 years, made it possible for the doors of the church to remain open in spite of all the obstacles against it. As long as God gave them breath and strength the light of the gospel would burn brightly in this Mormon community.

I was saddened to hear the other day that the Billy Graham Association had removed Mormons from its list of cults. And, I wondered what my grandmother – who, has since passed on to be with the Lord, (and, was a life long supporter of Mr. Graham and his association), might think.  She and others like her have dedicated their lives to the difficult task of ministering with in the confines of a Mormon community. Today, because of the actions of the BGA that task has become that much harder. Across the nation and the world, doors once closed to those nice young men in white shirts and black slacks will be opened. And, people who may never have previously opened their doors to them will be greeted with these words,  “Let me tell you about another testament of Jesus Christ” …..

I think she would be sad.

“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, they shall prosper who love thee” Psalm 122:6  

Watching and waiting with YOU for the soon return of Jesus!  Cindy

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Responses

  1. Cindy, what wonderful grandparents you had. How blessed you are. Yes, the two (Mormon and Christianity) are not the same and yet we see the Christian churches aligning with manner causes, lifestyles that are not either. It is a church that has lost it’s way.

    [Hi JD, Thank you so much for writing. I am indeed blessed to have had a grandmother whose dedication and selfless service to the Lord set an example for me from an early age. As for my grandfather, not so much. In fact, in the early years, he was one of the obstacles, she faced as well. He was jealous of the time she gave to the Church and most often he sat at home mad, while she was away at service. Only one thing made him madder, when, she brought the Pastor home for Sunday dinner afterwards! He mellowed in his older years and by the time, I came along, he was coming to Church – especially, if there was a potluck dinner involved. I can still remember standing next to him and hearing his booming voice singing “when the roll is called up yonder I’ll be there”. Sadly, he never made a public profession of faith leaving us to wonder – “when the roll is called up yonder, we’ll he be there?” I sincerely hope so, I loved him dearly. Blessings and thanks so much for writing! C]

  2. To many are looking are looking to reconcile the differences between the two. And then to say that Romney’s Mormonism will not be a factor in his presidency. Many of the “christians” in America are being duped by him thinking that he will be the answer. Americans are being chased off the sidewalk by a mugger into the path of a freight train. What has to be examined is the proximity of the occult in the church. In the Jesuit fashion, the enemy has placed his people in the church casting his seed and we are seeing those grain heads turn black now are we not?
    http://www.illuminati-news.com/0/Billy-Graham-Deception.htm
    Freemasonry has been in the picture for a long time. Since the beginning of this country. The sun is setting on America’s day. Joesph Smith was a 33rd degree mason. HELLO, can you smell what’s cooking.
    Most of them (tares)are very spiritually blind, fortunately, and cannot discern the Holy Spirit, thus protecting the Lord’s own.
    Seek the Almighty, He will direct and lead.

    [Thanks Jeff for a great comment! You are absolutely right and there can be no reconciliation between darkness and light. In my opinion, we are being duped in the most insidious way. And, to think Christians, who should know better are falling for it hook, line and “stinker” …. unbelievable! C]

  3. Is Billy Graham losing his marbles? For someone to preach the majority of his life that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life; win so many to the faith; live his life for Christ and now to start backsliding @ at 90+…What in the world is going on? We need to lift him up in prayer! I have often wondered what happens to Christians who get dementia or alzheimer’s or have some other loss of memory and they reject, or lose their faith…I mean, how does God deal with that? Having parkinson’s disease (and the possibility of such anomaly in the future), I pray that this is where God’s grace covers me completely, and I am hoping that is where Billy Graham is right now. He is such a widely respected man of God that many will be led down the thorny path with this one, though. Thoughts, Cindy?

    Kim

    [Hi Kim, Good question. I’m not sure of the answer but, I doubt it has to do with Mr. Graham backsliding at this late stage of his life. I’m not sure he really makes the decisions for his organization any more anyway, so perhaps, its as simple as that. Or, perhaps there are aspects to Mr. Grahams life, which we have never really understood or have been made public. I hope that’s not the case. But, as you can see from some of the comments, it may very well be indeed. We need to keep our eyes open to the truth regardless of who it is. God is no respecter of persons and neither should we be. Let the fruit and the facts speak for itself. As far as those whose disease processes affect their judgment, I am sure our loving Father knows the difference and takes it into account. Thanks for writing Kim, you always have great questions! C]

    • First Cindy, it was an official position change of that organization that removed Mormonism as a cult.
      Kim, I am dealing with an elderly parent who is suffering from some sort of multifaceted cognitive issue and your right. Thinking is impacted as people age. It is always different. When I began to look at the whole dementia thing I looked up it’s definition. Simplest form:

      A firmly held false belief.

      Well that encompasses more than just the elderly. What is the source or causation of false belief?

      Satanic influence. This country has woven in its fabric an allegiance to other things and Freemasonry is one of them. Look at what this one guy says he has discovered.

      http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/awful_truth_billy_graham.htm

      Satan has used witchcraft to cause blindness in the CHURCH no less, after digging myself and searching the Word I began to discover how deep and wide it is.
      Another warning to God’s own, run from those who in “church authority” who skirt accountability to the truth.

      Excellent source of understanding about how this has happened look at Mark Fairley’s Fuel Project.
      http://orbisvitae.com/mc/Know-Your-Enemy/

  4. This is an AWESOME article. Praise Jesus so utterly powerful. Thank you so much for this wonderful work. I am going to read this on the Tribulation-Now radio show tonight!! Praise God!

    [Thank you John, I’m humbled that you would take the time to read my post to your listeners. I appreciate it very much! Grace and blessings! C]

  5. It’s amazing how quickly after Mitt Romney’s visit with Billy Graham and his son, Franklin, a couple weeks ago that all reference to Mormonism as a cult was removed from the Billy Graham website. It’s even more amazing to me how quickly that sad and tragic deed has been picked up and highlighted by so many, including the media (CNN) and including your excellent article. This article in this morning’s Raider’s E-News Journal is also excellent and be sure to watch Judge Napolitano’s video at the end: (You may need to cut and paste this link to pull up the article) It’s so important to be in God’s Word daily. Our redemption is “drawing nigh.”

    Billy Graham’s Legacy of Political Idolatry

    http://www.logosapologia.org/?p=4294

    [Thanks for the link Martha, excellent article! Have not had time to watch the video yet, but, plan to later. The scripture warns us that a time would come when they will no longer endure sound doctrine. We have sold our birthright for a pot of stew ….. and, you know how that turned out. May God help us! C]

  6. Hi, Cindy –

    Thanks for your insight. I liked Jeff’s comment above about the mugger; brings to mind Amos 5:19 “It will be as though a man fled from a lion and a bear met him!” Maybe if Americans don’t like judgment, we can just vote against it! He Who sits in the heavens shall laugh!

    Will be posted for tomorrow’s homework. Thanks again also for making my job easier. Hope to see you soon!

    Love in Christ,

    Steve

    [Excellent comment, Steve. And, thanks for once again posting me on your home work page. Much appreciated! C]

  7. Dear Cindy,
    Thank you for sharing the fantastic testimony of your grandparents. They stood up for Jesus on a daily basis despite being against the tide – sound familiar? How blessed you are knowing that they lived their lives serving the Lord Jesus and that they are now in heaven with Him!
    Recently I found out that Billy Graham was in fact a 33° Freemason. This is bad enough, considering the devil worshipping that is practised by the Freemasons, but in addition there is a recording of an interview Billy Graham gave where he spoke for homosexuality and said that everybody is going to Heaven, despite what religion they are!! Anyone reading this can find this recording on the Internet. He, and his organisation, made millions from honest folk’s contributions. Jesus said that a bad tree does not bear good fruit, and for us to watch for wolves in sheep’s clothing. At present there are many incredulous people that do not accept these facts about Billy Graham. For how long do people want to remain deceived? Let’s pay attention to our Lord Jesus and reject these false prophets once and for all:- past, present and future ones…

    [Hi Diana, Thanks so much for writing! I had never thought about a Masonic connection before and perhaps that explains it, as much of Mormonism comes right out of Masonry. I think we are being duped in a big way …. many Christians say they will vote for Romney because he supports Israel. But, does he really? Not in the way we might think. Because Mormons are known for their temple building, after the election, Romney “friend of Israel” just might give them the green light to build their temple. Might just make a great seat for a man, whose religion teaches they can become a god. If you know what I mean ….. C]

  8. Wow, this post was like turning the light on in our minds! There is so much evil and backsliding going on around us, that we are looking around to find even the slightest reflection of descent morals in which we can breathe again. The Romney’s do show some of our old morals, that have faded and diminished in our country. How clever for the enemy! I agree with Steve’s comment ~ “fleeing the lion, for a bear”.

    I am sure your Grandmother is seeing the whole story now, and I am sure her reward is with her too, Praise God, Amen! It is bad to hear the news about Billy Graham, but our God can still do amazing things from something bad. Can ANYTHING good come out of Nazareth? Yes, Jesus Christ!

    God is STILL on the throne! Amen!

    [Comforting to know that in spite of everything, God is still on his throne! I sense the purification of the bride is not yet complete, hard times are ahead, but, in the process, we shall be refined as gold! Love and blessings in Yeshua! C]

  9. Isn’t voting for the “lesser of 2 evils” the only choices we have had in these latter years? What then, should we not vote at all? Are true followers of Christ to just sit this one out? I feel totally at a loss since I think it’s my duty to vote “not Obama”….a third candidate has no chance in our current system! Is this just the end, then and we throw in the towel?? I can’t help thinking that is not the answer. We are not voting for a religious leader, we are supposed to be voting our VALUES….in hopes that Romney is indeed way more conservative than Obama, I cannot in good conscience NOT vote! God help us all.

    [Hi Diane, I think you express quite well the dilemna that many Christians are feeling. And, a couple of things come to mind as I read your comment.

    1) If we are going to vote, shouldn’t we be voting for who we believe to be the best candidate – not who we think can or cannot win. Why do we think the only viable option is within the two major parties?

    2) Secondly, not voting is an option. As Tamra has noted, “God is still on this throne”. Why do we think he needs our help? Do we really think it’s okay to compromise our beliefs in order to get our guy in office? Where is our trust in the Lord?

    That being said, I believe that each of us must pray and then act on what we believe God would have us to do. After that, it is in his hands. For, it is God, by whom leaders of nations rise and fall. And, who ever wins this election, it will be by his sovereign choice, for good or for bad. For me, the fact, that organizations like the BGA is compromising their beliefs for the sake of the political process only works to solidify the opinion I already hold.

    I think part of the problem for many folks is that they fail to understand the depth and the scope of Mormonism in its whole. While we think we are voting for someone who shares our values, we are actually installing someone, who has taken a blood oath to carry out whatever God’s “prophet” on earth instructs him; including, spilling the blood of the infidel, if necessary. I’m posting a letter from the Anakypto Forum Homework page that discusses this in detail. At the bottom of the letter is a link to a guy speaking from “the Conspiracy Cafe” (whatever that is). Warning, the speaker is a litle crude, but, he hammers his point home in a way that is quite hard to forget. http://www.rogershermansociety.org/fivedoves/shetzel002.htm

    And, thanks again for writing Diane. I understand and appreciate how you feel. May God lead and guide you in these difficult days. C]

    • Hi, Diane –

      Tom Bigbee discussed voting as an exercise of prayer. You may find his insights helpful: http://www.rogershermansociety.org/fivedoves/bigbee016.htm

      I also discussed the election through the lens of Daniel chapter 5. We don’t choose the President; God does: http://stevekerp.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/think-biblically-the-president-is-not-elected/

      If most of the Christians ask God to make Romney President, then God may choose to hear that prayer.

      [Thanks Steve, EXCELLENT articles both! C]

    • Diane,
      Matt. 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?” 20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

      Matt. 16:17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

      What will you allow? The lessor of two evils? Is it not evil? I think the ballot should look like this.

      A.) Barak Obama
      B.) Mitt Romney
      C.) Christ

      I personally will will write in Christ. Steve C. God is the one who will decide will he not? Join in Jehosephat’s prayer

      2 Chronicles 20:5 And Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court, 6 and said, “O Lord, God of our fathers, are you not God in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. In your hand are power and might, so that none is able to withstand you. 7 Did you not, our God, drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel, and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend? 8 And they have lived in it and have built for you in it a sanctuary for your name, saying, 9 ‘If disaster comes upon us, the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we will stand before this house and before you—for your name is in this house—and cry out to you in our affliction, and you will hear and save.’ 10 And now behold, the men of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, whom you would not let Israel invade when they came from the land of Egypt, and whom they avoided and did not destroy— 11 behold, they reward us by coming to drive us out of your possession, which you have given us to inherit. 12 O our God, will you not execute judgment on them? For we are powerless against this great horde that is coming against us. We do not know what to do, but our eyes are on you.”

  10. The topic of voting this year has been quite hot at our home, since both of us are seeing this in a different way. I am at peace with my decision not to vote. I tried to explain if I am simply reduced to voter for the lessor of two evils then I am still voting for evil. The other half does not see it that way. I believe each of us should pray and do as we feel led and not be coerced into believing that we have to act.

  11. Having grown up Mormon myself and later as an adult coming to Christ, I am well aware of the fundamental differences between Christianity and Mormonism. I was unaware that the Graham association has removed the LDS church from their list of cults and left me stupefied as to why. As I pondered this, the thought came to me that this is not explainable, but is a “prophetic act” (although I’m pretty sure the Graham association would not see it that way) signifying that the LDS church and Mormons will at some point in the future become real believers. I still have many family members who are Mormons. My thought could be totally from “left field” but still need to pray for the redemption and salvation of Mormons as well.

    [Hi Stu, Thanks so much for writing! The flip-side to my story is that my mother married a Mormon (who subsequently became a Christian) but, all of my family members on my Dad’s side are Mormon. As part of the original Utah pioneers, my grandfather was one of twenty children born to a polygamous family. Unfortunately, I do not see the actions of the BGA as any indication that the LDS church will leave the false doctrine upon which they have been founded. Rather, I see the blurring of lines that will ultimately lead to the one world religion and the worship of the anti-christ. Keep praying brother, please, pray for my family as I will yours. Grace and blessings in our most marvelous and wonderful Jesus! C]

  12. Thanks for the responses and the articles Steve shared were helpful. Lot’s of food for thought here. I’ve never thought anything other than the one that God wants to win would win, I just am incredibly torn to what I’ve always believed was my civic duty and now faced with no acceptable choice. I too have loved ones that are Mormon, and they are very sweet people….one of the reasons I would consider voting for Romney…but certainly know the difference between Mormonism and Christianity. I am still undecided as to what I am going to do, but feel a little better knowing that many suffer the same angst that I do! God bless you all, and till we meet in the air…MARANATHA!! 😉

  13. One of my FB friends posted this site, pass it on.

    http://www.votingforjesus.com/

    I guess I am not the only one who has felt that way.

  14. Tom Hoefling, America’s Party. A true conservative. There really ARE other choices, you just won’t find them in the MSM. This was shared with me by a fellow Christian that is also not voting for Obama OR Romney. Tom Hoefling for President on Youtube. Praying for our country!!

  15. Another perspective on whom to vote for by Lou Engle:
    http://www.openheaven.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=41834&PN=1


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